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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2021, 12:44:20 pm »
The difference here is one of focus.  You are focused on individual actions; I am focused on social actions.  Individuals can be "good", just as they can be intelligent.  Civilizations are never good and they also operate at a low level of intelligence.  When you are swimming in a sea of shyt, you can't do good. The waves of shyt roll over everyone, you included.

When I began the Diner, my motivation was to wake people up to what was transpiring around them.  I didn't have huge success with the project, my websites never went viral of course.   I did have a few successes, I know of at least 4 people who made significant life changes after reading the Diner.  Did this do any good though?  Definitely not on the social level, and not even on the individual level.  Frankly, these days I don't think Doomsteading offers much more chance of survival than living in a big shitty.  Maybe it buys you a few more years of survival, but it's no permenent solution.  I know of no Doomstead that is self sufficient nor any that could defend itself when either the Zombies or the Military shows up in force.  I also don't consider Farming to be a sustainable way of life anyhow.  Historically speaking, all Ag Civilizations have collapsed.  The only sustainable form of living is H-G, but you can't do that nowadays.  Not enough game, not enough fish, not enough unowned land to wander around on to pick berries and dig up edible roots.

So, what is good here?  You can make the case it is good to let nature take its course and letting the population dieoff.  You can make the case it is GOOD to keep burning FFs, because then people will dieoff faster!  lol.  That would be the case made by the Illuminati.  Get rid of those Useless Eaters!  You can also make the case it would be good to Guillotine all the folks at the top of the pyramid who got us into this mess.  Work your way down killing off rich people until you have left only poor and generous people. :)

Far as soldiers who risked their lives to save Afghani children goes, they were working in service for the MIC, which in aggregate kills many more children than it saves.  I don't consider anyone who is a soldier in service to the MIC to be good.  They are the enablers of Evil, the enforcement arm of Capitalism.  In the words of General Smedley Butler:



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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2021, 02:51:51 pm »
The difference here is one of focus.  You are focused on individual actions; I am focused on social actions.  Individuals can be "good", just as they can be intelligent.  Civilizations are never good and they also operate at a low level of intelligence.  When you are swimming in a sea of shyt, you can't do good. The waves of shyt roll over everyone, you included.

When I began the Diner, my motivation was to wake people up to what was transpiring around them.  I didn't have huge success with the project, my websites never went viral of course.   I did have a few successes, I know of at least 4 people who made significant life changes after reading the Diner.  Did this do any good though?  Definitely not on the social level, and not even on the individual level.  Frankly, these days I don't think Doomsteading offers much more chance of survival than living in a big shitty.  Maybe it buys you a few more years of survival, but it's no permenent solution.  I know of no Doomstead that is self sufficient nor any that could defend itself when either the Zombies or the Military shows up in force.  I also don't consider Farming to be a sustainable way of life anyhow.  Historically speaking, all Ag Civilizations have collapsed.  The only sustainable form of living is H-G, but you can't do that nowadays.  Not enough game, not enough fish, not enough unowned land to wander around on to pick berries and dig up edible roots.

So, what is good here?  You can make the case it is good to let nature take its course and letting the population dieoff.  You can make the case it is GOOD to keep burning FFs, because then people will dieoff faster!  lol.  That would be the case made by the Illuminati.  Get rid of those Useless Eaters!  You can also make the case it would be good to Guillotine all the folks at the top of the pyramid who got us into this mess.  Work your way down killing off rich people until you have left only poor and generous people. :)

Far as soldiers who risked their lives to save Afghani children goes, they were working in service for the MIC, which in aggregate kills many more children than it saves.  I don't consider anyone who is a soldier in service to the MIC to be good.  They are the enablers of Evil, the enforcement arm of Capitalism.  In the words of General Smedley Butler:



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Glad it's raining today and I can a few minutes to go back and forth.  Good discussion.

I am focused on individual actions.  That's where I can do the most good.  I can opine on the Meryl Streep choice and offer my take on the societal choices to be made  but I will have no effect.  All the outrage and moral dilemma I feel will not alter the outcome.  For me, channeling that outrage and sadness into positive action on the ground works best.

The members of the MIC you mention were about 19 years old when sent to Afghanistan, convinced they were fighting for their country, avenging 9/11 and keeping terrorists away from the US.  Indeed, they were tools  of the MIC and killed many people.  They were the occupiers and on the wrong side.  They did things that 10 years later they simply would not do.  In my opinion they were duped.  They pay for it every day.  My point being that when making individual decisions under extreme duress, caught in a colossal geo-political blunder, they chose, sometimes at great personal risk, to do good when they could - of course in the context of the situation they found themselves in.  Perhaps you were a mature 18 year old who transcended your upbringing and culture to have an enhanced ability for critical thinking.  Maybe you've never been sold a bill of goods or duped by propaganda.  Maybe you don't regret any major choices you made at that age.  We aren't all that fortunate.

I'm very familiar with Smedley Butler.  Read books about him years ago.  He didn't start out enlightened on the subject of US imperialism.  It took him a few years - and he stayed with the program for a while. He was a general for chrissakes.

I did what I could - again a very small contribution- to stop the Vietnam war.  I grew up with kids who went when drafted, kids that enlisted because of patriotism and kids that went to jail and Canada.  I never blamed them. I blamed Johnson and Nixon and the MIC.  Still do.  So many lives ruined and gone.

I agree that traditional ag is unsustainable.  That's why we don't do it.  We have a Permaculture site.  This involves a much different design and use of land and soil, using biological solutions to meet challenges whenever possible.  We build soil, we don't deplete it.  We bury carbon. Permaculture is based on ethics: care for the earth - care for people - fair share the surplus - self regulation.  This is followed by 12 principles that I won't list because I don't sense any interest.  It is a much different approach to producing food (also shelter, community, enterprise) with much different results.  Holmgren and Mollison (two Aussies) came up with the concept which has been evolving for over 40 years. We've taught some young folks who are spending their lives now doing this work.  You may view this as insignificant - I see it as essential. I see it as my way of meeting my obligation to do good.

I completely agree that one family or small group has a very poor chance of survival in a SHTF scenario.  As I've said before, you can't have all preps.  And no, you can't be completely self sufficient.  You can't have every skill and piece of equipment.  You can't keep your eyes open 24/7.   Intentional communities generally don't work.   A network of neighbors with complimentary skills and resources is the best solution I've run across.  I think your statement about survival odds in a city versus a rural environment depends on the individual.  I wouldn't last a day in a city in bad times.   There are many in the city who would starve out here while surrounded by food they don't recognize as food.  They can't tell north from south without their phone.  They can't read maps, and many, many are too fat to make it in a situation that requires physical work.
I expect things to get very bad.  But I do not expect the US military to show up here.  We're tiny.  They will be spread very thin.  In a 2nd Civil War or general revolt local militias and paramilitary groups will be more of a factor.  Zombies will be a threat - but smaller and more isolated.  Community defense can deal with zombies.

Living on freeze dried, stolen rations in a concrete urban hovel has no interest for me.  Tapping into natural systems, relearning patterns and methods for obtaining food, clothing and shelter is, to my mind, the only chance many young people today will have in the future.  Not just to survive, but to have lives with some potential for dignity and joy.

I'm sorry you don't think the Diner was much of a contribution.  I thought it was great when I could spend time there.  My only problem was the lack of specific strategies and methods people employed. An accurate view of the big picture is essential.  Discussion of the issues and elements of the ongoing collapse is essential - at least for me - to be able an put my own views in perspective.  But what are we doing about it? 

There was a guy named Category 5 (as I recall) who posted articles about his place in Nova Scotia.  I thought his pieces were very interesting, although he seemed pissed off all the time. His approach to many issues were very different than mine.  In particular he despised his neighbors and the locals.  But there were many methods he took for certain work that I found intriguing.  I sent you a message once asking if you thought I should submit a piece contrasting our approaches to certain tasks and concerns.  As it turned out, you were sick and on the IR list and I didn't hear back.  So, I sent the same message to either Eddie or K-Dog ( can't remember which) and never got a response.  I took that as a clear sign of lack of interest.

We all do what we can, when we can, and do it as well as we can. If you think the concept of "doing good" is simplistic and a waste of time...well that's certainly an opinion shared by the majority, if we believe actions speak louder than words.  We can agonize over the suffering of children and the helpless around the world , but I don't think we can let the severity of the situation paralyze us into inaction and impotent outrage.

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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2021, 04:33:03 pm »
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I agree with the **** -up electronic meat monkey brain riding the back of a tiger comparison.

COVID denialism which Rebecca talks about in the first video makes it crystal clear.  People are walking around with unlicensed brains.

By 'covid denialism' I thought you meant denying covid exists. That's not what she addressed though, it was 'vaccine hesitancy' (refusing unless forced). She cites only 3 reasons.

Her first reason for refusing  was it is not FDA approved. She says this can not be a logical reason because Iver is not FDA approved for treatment of covid either. This neglects the reasons why both are not approved being entirely different.

There is no money to be made from iver. Approving it would stop the money being made by pharmacos with vaccines. The pharmacos fund and run the FDA, saving the taxpayer money but clearly compromising it's integrity by interests.

An entirely different standard is being applied to studies of iver as a treatment, it is not the low standard and skipping phases of trials with control group done with the Vax. The pharmacos themselves are not doing the studies on iver, they are ignoring what studies have been done and why it is then approved in those countries, while banned in our own.

mRNA as a Vax has never been approved because it's effects are short lived and side effects over time with repeated doses are disastrous in animal trials.

Second reason cited was side effects. She says 'study after study shows they are ridiculously safe'. This is an article of faith, death and other things are listed as side effects on the label and the study is being done on you now. Who has asked you about any side effects to gather the data? Look at what other countries did halting the Vax when unnaceptable numbers showed up with blood clots for a clue. Look at the resignations and warnings from the CDC regarding vaxing children. Look at those who produce or push it exempting themselves.

Third reason is it is new technology. It is old as a gene therapy not as a successful vaccine and not for want of trying. It could not be used now as a Vax  if not for a pandemic being declared an emergency. Declaring an emergency removes a lot of human rights as well.

She mentioned J&J as older technology available. It is viral vector, not deactivated virus. Many consider it the best of a bad bunch, but it is not available everywhere. Even in the US it has now been stopped because of blood clotting.

She thinks 'it's most likely we got our information on fox news and Facebook', another baseless article of faith for those who get their own info only from the msm. What they do is a risk v reward calculus based on immediate side effects possible and unknown long term side effects. The nurses do this based on what they see themselves, The pilots and air crews refusing to get vaxed probably do that based on things they see themself including the grounding of all crews at fort hood. Many know or know of people who had side effects from vax as well as people who had covid. If not, there is no shortage of stories available online. They count dverse reactions between recieving first dose and two weeks after second dose who are not counted as vaccinated. They don't think there is no connection between the vaccine and the side effect because these things can happen to people with a pre-existing condition. They think if it happened to a healthy person with no history, it was the vaccine causing it.

On being atheist, she really is not, as she is fully baptised in the State substitute provided, recognising man's general need for religion. When she gave reasons for being atheist, she said various religions were wrong to her, not that she gave any reasons for them being wrong, but that people followed them only because of being brought up with them. That is not always the case, many question the faith and come to their own understanding, also many join religions of their own volition from outside. More important is the  rookie atheist error in not distinguishing between a religion and a creator to explain phenomena.

She could step up as the first person presenting the case for Vax mandates to accept the challenge to actually debate the topic, which has gone unanswered. She could start by giving a reason for just 3 things. 1 why it is important for anyone to take something which does not prevent infection or spreading the disease, but only reduces severe symptoms and messaging now is only 'it might'. 2. Why an alternative treatment that can do that as well and completely safe is blocked. 3. Why people who have had covid and recovered, having the best protection, are also forced. The reason for not already considering any of this is only religious fanaticism.

That took way too much time just to repeat things I've said before. It would be easier protesting being told I'm walking around with an unlicensed brain by just not participating.









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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2021, 07:20:19 pm »

Glad it's raining today and I can a few minutes to go back and forth.  Good discussion.

I am focused on individual actions.  That's where I can do the most good.  I can opine on the Meryl Streep choice and offer my take on the societal choices to be made  but I will have no effect.  All the outrage and moral dilemma I feel will not alter the outcome.  For me, channeling that outrage and sadness into positive action on the ground works best.

The members of the MIC you mention were about 19 years old when sent to Afghanistan, convinced they were fighting for their country, avenging 9/11 and keeping terrorists away from the US.  Indeed, they were tools  of the MIC and killed many people.  They were the occupiers and on the wrong side.  They did things that 10 years later they simply would not do.  In my opinion they were duped.  They pay for it every day.  My point being that when making individual decisions under extreme duress, caught in a colossal geo-political blunder, they chose, sometimes at great personal risk, to do good when they could - of course in the context of the situation they found themselves in.  Perhaps you were a mature 18 year old who transcended your upbringing and culture to have an enhanced ability for critical thinking.  Maybe you've never been sold a bill of goods or duped by propaganda.  Maybe you don't regret any major choices you made at that age.  We aren't all that fortunate.

I'm very familiar with Smedley Butler.  Read books about him years ago.  He didn't start out enlightened on the subject of US imperialism.  It took him a few years - and he stayed with the program for a while. He was a general for chrissakes.

I did what I could - again a very small contribution- to stop the Vietnam war.  I grew up with kids who went when drafted, kids that enlisted because of patriotism and kids that went to jail and Canada.  I never blamed them. I blamed Johnson and Nixon and the MIC.  Still do.  So many lives ruined and gone.

I agree that traditional ag is unsustainable.  That's why we don't do it.  We have a Permaculture site.  This involves a much different design and use of land and soil, using biological solutions to meet challenges whenever possible.  We build soil, we don't deplete it.  We bury carbon. Permaculture is based on ethics: care for the earth - care for people - fair share the surplus - self regulation.  This is followed by 12 principles that I won't list because I don't sense any interest.  It is a much different approach to producing food (also shelter, community, enterprise) with much different results.  Holmgren and Mollison (two Aussies) came up with the concept which has been evolving for over 40 years. We've taught some young folks who are spending their lives now doing this work.  You may view this as insignificant - I see it as essential. I see it as my way of meeting my obligation to do good.

I completely agree that one family or small group has a very poor chance of survival in a SHTF scenario.  As I've said before, you can't have all preps.  And no, you can't be completely self sufficient.  You can't have every skill and piece of equipment.  You can't keep your eyes open 24/7.   Intentional communities generally don't work.   A network of neighbors with complimentary skills and resources is the best solution I've run across.  I think your statement about survival odds in a city versus a rural environment depends on the individual.  I wouldn't last a day in a city in bad times.   There are many in the city who would starve out here while surrounded by food they don't recognize as food.  They can't tell north from south without their phone.  They can't read maps, and many, many are too fat to make it in a situation that requires physical work.
I expect things to get very bad.  But I do not expect the US military to show up here.  We're tiny.  They will be spread very thin.  In a 2nd Civil War or general revolt local militias and paramilitary groups will be more of a factor.  Zombies will be a threat - but smaller and more isolated.  Community defense can deal with zombies.

Living on freeze dried, stolen rations in a concrete urban hovel has no interest for me.  Tapping into natural systems, relearning patterns and methods for obtaining food, clothing and shelter is, to my mind, the only chance many young people today will have in the future.  Not just to survive, but to have lives with some potential for dignity and joy.

I'm sorry you don't think the Diner was much of a contribution.  I thought it was great when I could spend time there.  My only problem was the lack of specific strategies and methods people employed. An accurate view of the big picture is essential.  Discussion of the issues and elements of the ongoing collapse is essential - at least for me - to be able an put my own views in perspective.  But what are we doing about it? 

There was a guy named Category 5 (as I recall) who posted articles about his place in Nova Scotia.  I thought his pieces were very interesting, although he seemed pissed off all the time. His approach to many issues were very different than mine.  In particular he despised his neighbors and the locals.  But there were many methods he took for certain work that I found intriguing.  I sent you a message once asking if you thought I should submit a piece contrasting our approaches to certain tasks and concerns.  As it turned out, you were sick and on the IR list and I didn't hear back.  So, I sent the same message to either Eddie or K-Dog ( can't remember which) and never got a response.  I took that as a clear sign of lack of interest.

We all do what we can, when we can, and do it as well as we can. If you think the concept of "doing good" is simplistic and a waste of time...well that's certainly an opinion shared by the majority, if we believe actions speak louder than words.  We can agonize over the suffering of children and the helpless around the world , but I don't think we can let the severity of the situation paralyze us into inaction and impotent outrage.

Fodere Debemus

We had a whole Forum on the Diner, the Doomsteading forum dedicated to topics like permaculture.  I chartered a 501c3 nonprofit corporation, the Sustaining Universal Needs (SUN) Foundation to help educate and build sustainable living communities.  We had many members over the years who were permaculture enthusiasts.  Some even had their official Permaculture Certificates.  Eddie has one of those.  I published numerous blogs by others concerned with this topic, Toby Hemenway for one.    I talked several times with Irv Mills on Video.  We did a show on food preservation, including cheesemaking, pickling and canning.  Don't know why you never got response to your PMs, but you could have posted on the forum anytime.   I often took detailed posts and threads from the forum and turned them into blogs.  I was always looking for new authors and contributors.

My own area of expertiese is not in this field, it's in mathematics and economics, along with biochemistry and psychology.  I don't write about permaculture because I'm not familiar enough with it.

As to the potential for permaculture to save the population, I don't know how many people it can feed on the earth, but I don't think it is 7.8B.  Many of the techniques come from antiquity, but it was consistently out competed by more intensive methods that grew the population faster.  You need a big population to have a big army, of course.

When it comes to being duped into the military at 19, no I was not.  I knew it was trash by the age of 15 for sure with Vietnam, possibly earlier than that.  I did almost get duped though, because I applied to the Air Force Academy out of HS.  I wasn't accepted because I was too young graduating HS, I was 16.  You had to be at least 17.  They invited me to reapply the next year (I got a call from a General at the Pentagon personally inviting me to do that).  I didn't want to join the Air Force to bomb people though, I did it because I wanted to be an Astronaut.  At the time, the only way to get that job was to have experience as a military pilot.  They didn't send 90 year old actors into space in those years.  lol.

Do I forgive 19 year olds for being stupid and voluntarily signing up to kill people?  No I do not, stupidity is no excuse for making a **** poor moral choice.  I do not Forgive and I do not Forget.  People need to be accountable for their mistakes. I am accountable for all mine, fortunately they don't include killing anybody else.

It would be nice if everyone was good and kind and generous, but sadly most people are not.  Most people are stupid, greedy and selfish.  The WORST people are smart, greedy and selfish.  So it goes.

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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2021, 08:34:44 pm »
That took way too much time just to repeat things I've said before. It would be easier protesting being told I'm walking around with an unlicensed brain by just not participating.


I'm not sure that "unlicensed brain" and "duckwit" are compatible, but they make a nice couple on the dancefloor.

I hope you continue to participate, PP.  The discussion really benefits from your presence.  I think the ad hominem attacks are based on fear.

Abigail's old man had it right. "I will enlarge no more on the evidence, but submit it to you, gentlemen—Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence..."  John Adams, 1770.


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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2021, 10:55:17 pm »
"unlicensed brain"

not meant to refer to any particular individual

When I put the words together I was thinking of self-anointed experts.  Which I also am.  But I know I work a lot harder at finding my truth than a lot of other people are willing to do.

Not could do, willing to do.  My arrogance is earned.

I posted the Rebecca Watson videos for her to explain the FACT that people absorb ideas and then think they thought the ideas up all by themselves afterwards.  COVID has shown us this in the real world.  Science also establishes it.  She was interesting enough for two videos.

As far as I am concerned PP is an exception to the rule.  For most people if you go Socratic on their ass they won't last two questions.
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2021, 08:43:01 am »
We had a whole Forum on the Diner, the Doomsteading forum dedicated to topics like permaculture.  I chartered a 501c3 nonprofit corporation, the Sustaining Universal Needs (SUN) Foundation to help educate and build sustainable living communities.  We had many members over the years who were permaculture enthusiasts.  Some even had their official Permaculture Certificates.  Eddie has one of those.  I published numerous blogs by others concerned with this topic, Toby Hemenway for one.    I talked several times with Irv Mills on Video.  We did a show on food preservation, including cheesemaking, pickling and canning.  Don't know why you never got response to your PMs, but you could have posted on the forum anytime.   I often took detailed posts and threads from the forum and turned them into blogs.  I was always looking for new authors and contributors.

My own area of expertiese is not in this field, it's in mathematics and economics, along with biochemistry and psychology.  I don't write about permaculture because I'm not familiar enough with it.

As to the potential for permaculture to save the population, I don't know how many people it can feed on the earth, but I don't think it is 7.8B.  Many of the techniques come from antiquity, but it was consistently out competed by more intensive methods that grew the population faster.  You need a big population to have a big army, of course.

When it comes to being duped into the military at 19, no I was not.  I knew it was trash by the age of 15 for sure with Vietnam, possibly earlier than that.  I did almost get duped though, because I applied to the Air Force Academy out of HS.  I wasn't accepted because I was too young graduating HS, I was 16.  You had to be at least 17.  They invited me to reapply the next year (I got a call from a General at the Pentagon personally inviting me to do that).  I didn't want to join the Air Force to bomb people though, I did it because I wanted to be an Astronaut.  At the time, the only way to get that job was to have experience as a military pilot.  They didn't send 90 year old actors into space in those years.  lol.

Do I forgive 19 year olds for being stupid and voluntarily signing up to kill people?  No I do not, stupidity is no excuse for making a **** poor moral choice.  I do not Forgive and I do not Forget.  People need to be accountable for their mistakes. I am accountable for all mine, fortunately they don't include killing anybody else.

It would be nice if everyone was good and kind and generous, but sadly most people are not.  Most people are stupid, greedy and selfish.  The WORST people are smart, greedy and selfish.  So it goes.

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Sorry - I should have mentioned that I had large gaps in my Diner experience.  While building a house in the mountains of Montana, a couple of miles from the Divide, I was offline for a couple of years.  Off grid really. I know that is an impossible concept for everyone else here. Then came a crisis I won't bore you with other than to say it involved the gruesome murder of a friend and neighbor, official malversation, complicity and corruption, a crooked court system and constant danger for several years, resulting in a forced move.  I was armed 24/7 for a long time. I was distracted with our actual survival. I still can't sleep without making sure the firearms are there and ready.  We still keep several extra big dogs - in excess of what the sheep need. They work all night. I didn't have much time to spend discussing Doom on a theoretical level.  If anyone thinks I'm bullshitting, I can send along links to the newspaper articles and TV clips - but I'd rather not think about it.  To anyone who thinks it can't happen here or it can't happen to them, don't worry about a thing, the authorities will take care of you.

So, no doubt I missed some of the best the Diner had to offer.

And, I should not smooth over the fact that I am inept on the damn computer.  I used to write a weekly newspaper column and I've written for Permaculture publications, but beyond primitive knowledge of the keyboard, I really don't get it.  I could not figure out how to post an article on the Diner.  That was part of the reason I messaged you. I wanted also to just comment on some of Cat 5's projects with some photos of my own, but couldn't figure out how to get photos on the site.  I still can't post photos here - even after K-Dog tried to help me.  As I told him, I approach the computer every day warily, and with a whip and a chair.  So my being incompetent is also a major reason I didn't contribute.

Toby Hemenway was a professional friend of Mrs. Digwe.  He was a great guy and a good man.  He made Permaculture accessible for many through his books.  We owe him a lot.

The Diner introduced me to Irv Mills.  I like his stuff.  I still check in on him occasionally. He works in an exciting ecosystem, right there on the lake.  After collapse boats will still float, making low-energy transport of goods and people on the lakes a positive for the region.  Irv can get evangelical about his Atheism.  I skip those parts.  I don't agree with all his assumptions about the way communities will organize themselves after collapse, but hell he's Canadian, by nature civilized, rational and just slightly morally superior to his southern neighbors.  He does good work.

I recall that Eddie has his PDC.  That's good.  After getting my PDC I got a teaching certificate but haven't been in front of a class for years.  I'm shy of crowds. Mrs. Digwe however, has spoken to thousands and does very well at it. I stay in the shadows and grub in the dirt.

Can Permaculture feed 7.8 billion people?  We'll never know.  The current paradigm will stay firmly in place as long as corporate capitalism is the operating and organizing system.  The wealthy of the world have no intention of sacrificing anything they own or control for a greater good.

So, rather than viewing Permaculture as a system that can transform and replace big ag or suburbs now, I have evolved my view of Pc.  I consider it a really good post-collapse strategy and valuable for individuals to implement now for a healthier and more reliable food supply.  It has some success now in a capitalist system.  There are folks who've adapted permaculture techniques to their farm or business and done very well.  But that is not happening at anywhere near a pace that will overtake and replace industrial ag before collapse. Permaculture really is a system designed for a post-capitalist era.

 You are much harder and more judgmental than I am about young men who enlist in the military.  You aren't dealing with some young fuckhead who holds up a liquor store and shoots somebody.  These are youngsters duped by the entire establishment into thinking they are heroes saving democracy and the free world.  I can tell you they are accountable for their mistakes.  The vets I know pay for it every day of their lives.  WW2, Vietnam, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan, all those guys paid or still pay. 

You were too smart to believe the bullshit.  Just because they aren't as perspicacious as you does not make them stupid or evil.  Having said that, some who participate, of course, are stupid and evil, finding joy in destruction and slaughter.  They aren't in my house.

Indeed many people are stupid, greedy, selfish and fart in bed.  But I still believe that it is important to resist them and do good whenever we can.  I'm not saying we will win, or get recognition, or alter the the tsunami of events headed our way.  And I am definitely not the person to define what is "good" for anyone else.

Back where I started, I think many of us can make more positive difference working on small solutions than arguing about the choice of which nation-state's children will starve. Those giant questions are very important and I'm here largely because of them, but my own inclination is to do something positive in response to these crises.  My own abilities are very small scale.  Others with more reach and influence can do more big picture stuff successfully.

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Re: Cultural Errat
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2021, 11:54:09 am »
I was offline for a couple of years.  Off grid really. I know that is an impossible concept for everyone else here.

If the definition includes being offline
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Re: Cultural Errat
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2021, 11:05:46 am »
consensus by suppressing dissent - Follow the silence
 
A peer reviewed article on myocarditis and the vaccines is pulled after publication with no explanation
 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8483988/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_kW7_9azxI&list=TLPQMjcxMDIwMjE_u0PI5ERDdQ&index=9


https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0020138

Medical Journals Are an Extension of the Marketing Arm of Pharmaceutical Companies



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It's official!  The Holy Roman Catholic Church has certified Collapse.  ;D  The Vicar of Christ on Earth has spoken!

https://www.euronews.com/green/2021/11/22/pope-tells-young-people-to-protect-the-environment-as-everything-around-us-seems-to-be-col

Pope tells young people to protect the environment as 'everything around us seems to be collapsing'

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Smash & Grab
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2021, 05:12:10 pm »
This latest fad could really do some shaking things up if it gets traction.  Much more than street protests.  If 80 Homies can walk out with $20K in 15 minutes, imagine what just 8000 could do in an hour sprinkled around the big box stores in a city.  ::)

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/583262-smash-and-grab-robberies-hit-stores-around-the-country-on-black-friday
Smash-and-grab robberies hit stores around the country on Black Friday

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Perhaps Elon will retire to a Bunker in NZ while everyone dies off?  Why would anyone with more than $1B work anyhow?  ???

No ,he has a NEW Job Category for himself, an "Influencer".  AKA Salesman to the Rich & Powerful or more commonly called a Lobbyist.  Both jobs he is emminently qualified for, since that is what he does already.  He just wants to quit the dull tasks of running Tesla & SpaceX.  Also exit stage left before they crash and burn, Tesla style.

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/585298-elon-musk-says-he-is-considering-quitting-his-jobs-becoming-influencer

Elon Musk says he is considering 'quitting' his jobs, becoming 'influencer'



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Alaskans are stuck on vacations that won’t end
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2022, 09:52:29 pm »
Remember the good old days when if your flight got cancelled the airline gave you a voucher for a hotel room?   Now you get to pick up the bills.

https://www.alaskapublic.org/2022/01/04/alaskans-stuck-on-vacations-that-wont-end/

Alaskans are stuck on vacations that won’t end

“Now, you know, we can’t take anything for granted anymore — like having a set schedule, or arriving at our destination,” she said. “Or going home.”

The only thing Hayner feels she can rely on now is uncertainty.


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Crises Crisis
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2022, 02:33:01 am »
I managed to get back online here as somehow magically my phone hotspot got switched to invisible.  Screen still worked though and I eventually located the switch.

Upon returning to the cyber world, it was Crisis after Crisis.  Energy Crisis, Political Crisis, Climate Crisis, Covid Crisis and so forth.  Those are just the big global ones.  Then you have your local ones, like your flood or wildfire or in our case here, windstorm.  Then your personal crises,as you get stuck in Vegas for an extra week paying the hotel bills and rental car or trying to get a working internet connection when your phone craps out.  Or you have to stick your kids with more needles and take them out of school again.

Living in a state of crisis all the time is very wearing, and obviously not sustainable.

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Who would fly anywhere today?

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2022/01/06/the-super-stranded-some-alaskans-are-having-epic-troubles-trying-to-return-home/

The super-stranded: Some Alaskans are having epic troubles trying to return home

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