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K-Dog · « **Reply #15 on:** September 02, 2021, 10:43:04 pm »

Hurricanes did not degenerate into storms that cross the whole continent before this. Ida in New Jersey.

I'd be careful buying a used car from here on out!

RE · « **Reply #16 on:** September 03, 2021, 11:48:12 am »

Quote from: K-Dog on September 02, 2021, 10:43:04 pm

Hurricanes did not degenerate into storms that cross the whole continent before this. Ida in New Jersey.

I'd be careful buying a used car from here on out!

Few used carz make it from the lower 48 to the Last Great Frontier, so this should not be a huge problem here. I have no plans to buy another car anyhow, just maybe a hydraulic lift for my van would be nice. My main Mobility device I hope to buy soon is a good outdoor model Cripple Scooter. Currently leading the pack in choices on this is the EW-72.

https://www.discovermymobility.com/store/scooters/ewheels-scooters/ew-72/index.html

Last month it was $2800. This month, $3150. I gotta watch for a good sale.

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K-Dog · « **Reply #17 on:** September 04, 2021, 08:42:21 pm »

You only get to see supervolcanos and flood basalts once. I prefer Iceland.

K-Dog · « **Reply #18 on:** September 05, 2021, 12:45:06 am »

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Last month it was $2800. This month, $3150. I gotta watch for a good sale.

That is a lot. Somebody is making money and it is not the factory worker in Shenzhen.

RE · « **Reply #19 on:** September 05, 2021, 04:13:12 pm »

Quote from: K-Dog on September 05, 2021, 12:45:06 am

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Last month it was $2800. This month, $3150. I gotta watch for a good sale.

That is a lot. Somebody is making money and it is not the factory worker in Shenzhen.

Hard market to figure overall. All the main distributors are coming in around the same price right now. I think they might have all received a shipment. I think mid-winter might be a good time to buy.

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RE · « **Reply #20 on:** September 11, 2021, 11:31:23 am »

Whether or not this bill is passed, the chances of meeting these goals are slim and none.

No Coal AND no NG by 2030? hahahahahaha. not at current population level anyhow. Maybe with a 99.9% die off we can get there.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/09/heres-how-the-us-will-tackle-climate-change-with-the-3-5t-reconciliation-bill/

Exactly WHAT is going to replace all the Coal and NG Power Plants? They are going to build 1000 new Nukes in 10 years? What?

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Nearings fault · « **Reply #21 on:** September 11, 2021, 01:00:32 pm »

Quote from: RE on September 11, 2021, 11:31:23 am

Whether or not this bill is passed, the chances of meeting these goals are slim and none.

No Coal AND no NG by 2030? hahahahahaha. not at current population level anyhow. Maybe with a 99.9% die off we can get there.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/09/heres-how-the-us-will-tackle-climate-change-with-the-3-5t-reconciliation-bill/

Exactly WHAT is going to replace all the Coal and NG Power Plants? They are going to build 1000 new Nukes in 10 years? What?

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That link reads like a starting point to me. Your wish list before it gets negotiated down. Coal is definitely in the cross hairs. But that infrastructure is mostly old anyways. Industry gets money for shutting down something they would not have renewed anyways since it's already more expensive. What replaces it? A **** tonne of solar and wind and dozens of coming online storage technologies. Batteries, lithium and other chemistries that are maturing right now also pumped storage, pressurized air storage, gravity storage to name just a few. The natural gas stays in place and works at full capacity to balance things out.

John of Wallan · « **Reply #22 on:** September 11, 2021, 01:06:27 pm »

Quote from: RE on September 11, 2021, 11:31:23 am

Whether or not this bill is passed, the chances of meeting these goals are slim and none.

No Coal AND no NG by 2030? hahahahahaha. not at current population level anyhow. Maybe with a 99.9% die off we can get there.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/09/heres-how-the-us-will-tackle-climate-change-with-the-3-5t-reconciliation-bill/

Exactly WHAT is going to replace all the Coal and NG Power Plants? They are going to build 1000 new Nukes in 10 years? What?

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I agree. Its become a left/ right political issue now, so nothing will change. We will bumble along addicted to fossil fuels until we cant.

You rightly mention population. The common thread in all the collapse issues is population, and no one wants to tackle that hot topic in our god fearing countries. (Texas abortion laws anyone?)

We are in overshoot. Current population levels are not living sustainably. If its not sustainable, it cant last by definition... Sounds obvious hey?

Apparently not.

That will be resolved one way or another shortly, then we wont need so much energy.

JOW

John of Wallan · « **Reply #23 on:** September 12, 2021, 02:28:28 pm »

Quote from: BuddyJ on September 11, 2021, 06:00:06 pm

Quote from: John of Wallan on September 11, 2021, 01:06:27 pm
We are in overshoot. Current population levels are not living sustainably. If its not sustainable, it cant last by definition... Sounds obvious hey?

Apparently not.
JOW

Obvious enough that the Great Dieoff was called for by the end of the 1980's.

See, there has been this consistent problem of when we even NOTICE overshoot, let alone it demonstrates a nice empirical metric like overall declining population.

I've enjoyed the 31 years since the Great Dieoff was claimed, and wasn't, the question now being how many more generations will be able to say the same? There is quite a good chance that the nice empirical metric I've mentioned won't even be visible in our lifetimes.

The green revolution bought the world another 40 years of unsustainable population growth. Now we are seeing the collapse of eco-systems and loss of topsoil from mining the soil of all nutrients and destroying micro biology by over use of chemical fertilisers in order to feed the growing number of mouths.

JOW

John of Wallan · « **Reply #24 on:** September 13, 2021, 01:47:14 am »

Quote from: BuddyJ on September 12, 2021, 05:04:55 pm

So...unless yet another new technology comes along to save the day like the last time, looks like we will face disaster. Again. Maybe.

Yes, yes, yes!
Wishful thinking and magic will save us.
Again.... Again.

I know, lets pray. Miracles are exactly what we need.

JOW

John of Wallan · « **Reply #25 on:** September 13, 2021, 01:59:47 am »

I would be nice to actually fix a problem for once rather that just kick the can down the road.
Every new technology has unknown side effects.
Every action has unknown consequences.

Coal and oil led to population explosions.
Population explosion leads to overshoot.
Instead of stopping the overshoot we look to technology to temporarily allow overshoot, or even increases it..
When this technology runs its course we scramble for another miracle.
Now we are destroying the ecosystem using the same fossil fuels, which is reducing the population it can sustainably carry.
We are scrambling to find alternatives, and even dream about putting people on other planets raher than fix the issues here.

I dont believe technology will always save us.
I may well be a modern Luddite. Lets see.

JOW

RE · « **Reply #26 on:** September 13, 2021, 03:52:46 am »

Quote from: John of Wallan on September 13, 2021, 01:59:47 am

I dont believe technology will always save us.
I may well be a modern Luddite. Lets see.

Don't forget antibiotics simply creating more drug resistant microbes! Technology has never saved us, simply caused us to dig a deeper hole. It also suffers from the law of diminishing returns. The more complex you get, the less benefit and more blowback. Besides a dieoff, this time there is no solution that can work. If there was, by now it would have been tried. Instead we just wait for the next storm to inundate NOLA or Houston...again.

Some dimwitted technofile billionaire proposed building a new $400B "Green City" in the desert. How much would it cost to rebuild Houston inland? A whole lot more than $400B. Then you still have NOLA and NYC to relocate, along with all the rest of the coastal Big Shitties.

If you stopped using FFs tomorrow, the hurricanes will keep coming, then how do you pump out the water? How do you build new cities to house the people without all the heavy equipment? It's just not gonna happen.

We are watching a slow motion train wreck. In civilization terms rather than the human lifespan, it is actually quite rapid though. the train has gone off the rails already. It's not "going to crash". It IS crashing.

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John of Wallan · « **Reply #27 on:** September 13, 2021, 02:10:10 pm »

Quote from: RE on September 13, 2021, 03:52:46 am

Quote from: John of Wallan on September 13, 2021, 01:59:47 am

I dont believe technology will always save us.
I may well be a modern Luddite. Lets see.

Don't forget antibiotics simply creating more drug resistant microbes! Technology has never saved us, simply caused us to dig a deeper hole. It also suffers from the law of diminishing returns. The more complex you get, the less benefit and more blowback. Besides a dieoff, this time there is no solution that can work. If there was, by now it would have been tried. Instead we just wait for the next storm to inundate NOLA or Houston...again.

Some dimwitted technofile billionaire proposed building a new $400B "Green City" in the desert. How much would it cost to rebuild Houston inland? A whole lot more than $400B. Then you still have NOLA and NYC to relocate, along with all the rest of the coastal Big Shitties.

If you stopped using FFs tomorrow, the hurricanes will keep coming, then how do you pump out the water? How do you build new cities to house the people without all the heavy equipment? It's just not gonna happen.

We are watching a slow motion train wreck. In civilization terms rather than the human lifespan, it is actually quite rapid though. the train has gone off the rails already. It's not "going to crash". It IS crashing.

RE

Hmm. A predicament...
Keep using fossil fuels; we are screwed.
Stop using fossil fuels; we are screwed.

JOW

RE · « **Reply #28 on:** September 13, 2021, 02:31:25 pm »

Quote from: John of Wallan on September 13, 2021, 02:10:10 pm

Hmm. A predicament...
Keep using fossil fuels; we are screwed.
Stop using fossil fuels; we are screwed.

This type of predicament is called a "Morton's Fork".

Meaning of Morton's Fork in English - Lexico
https://www.lexico.com › definition › morton's_fork
1.1A dilemma, especially one in which both choices are equally undesirable.

F*ucked if you do, F*cked if you don't.

What some hopelessly dense people cannot grasp is that some problems are insoluble. You cannot reach such people. "They are a breed apart and make no sense."

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K-Dog · « **Reply #29 on:** September 15, 2021, 01:21:47 am »

Quote from: RE on September 13, 2021, 02:31:25 pm

Quote from: John of Wallan on September 13, 2021, 02:10:10 pm
Hmm. A predicament...
Keep using fossil fuels; we are screwed.
Stop using fossil fuels; we are screwed.

This type of predicament is called a "Morton's Fork".

Meaning of Morton's Fork in English - Lexico
https://www.lexico.com › definition › morton's_fork
1.1A dilemma, especially one in which both choices are equally undesirable.

F*ucked if you do, F*cked if you don't.

What some hopelessly dense people cannot grasp is that some problems are insoluble. You cannot reach such people. "They are a breed apart and make no sense."

RE

The truly dense see only things as black and white.

Having DNA to see nuance and shades of gray we may have, but if it is not developed a tattooed blue hair gamer is no more intellectually advanced that a native from a rain forest who passes their days hunting monkeys.

They think every tree has a spirit and the popular thing is to call such nonsense wise. And I have just made myself very unpopular.

Some **** tastes better than other ****. And if you have to eat **** you should be able to use a spoon if it is your preference IMHO.

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