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State sponsored Hoovervilles.

https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2023/01/14/sunbreak-ranch-is-the-answer-to-san-diego-and-americas-homeless-crisis/

Sunbreak Ranch Is the Answer to San Diego — and America’s — Homeless Crisis

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State sponsored Hoovervilles.

https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2023/01/14/sunbreak-ranch-is-the-answer-to-san-diego-and-americas-homeless-crisis/

Sunbreak Ranch Is the Answer to San Diego — and America’s — Homeless Crisis

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I was thinking it sounded more like a refugee camp for your own citizens.

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State sponsored Hoovervilles.

https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2023/01/14/sunbreak-ranch-is-the-answer-to-san-diego-and-americas-homeless-crisis/

Sunbreak Ranch Is the Answer to San Diego — and America’s — Homeless Crisis

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I was thinking it sounded more like a refugee camp for your own citizens.

A more accurate description than Dachau for sure.

But:

Restricting freedom, what could go wrong?

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Somehow I doubt they will be high up the list for food distribution.

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State sponsored Hoovervilles.

https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2023/01/14/sunbreak-ranch-is-the-answer-to-san-diego-and-americas-homeless-crisis/

Sunbreak Ranch Is the Answer to San Diego — and America’s — Homeless Crisis

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What a terribly attractive and horrible idea that won't ever work. I wonder if the people who wrote it understand large components of the homelessness they pretend to understand? Take all those people out to a nice place out of the way, allow them to police themselves in between trying to find them social services that don't exist to solve the underlying decay of society, and hope the strong don't pray on the weak after hours. And who is going to pay for that busing back to the down town areas? After they disappear on day 1, and reappear on day 2, people will complain that "I thought we paid a levy to get rid of them all!". What are they doing back on the streets? Looking for drugs I imagine, because would anyone think that those running the camps would let them shoot up, smoke meth, snort coke in the tents provided them? What happens when the stronger ones form gangs, and appropriate from the weaker ones?

I have often wondered, based on society really not caring to solve the homeless issue, if there is a solution? Other than draconisn ones obviously, all confiscated dope is poisoned and put back into circulation and then stand back and let nature take its course.


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State sponsored Hoovervilles.

https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2023/01/14/sunbreak-ranch-is-the-answer-to-san-diego-and-americas-homeless-crisis/

Sunbreak Ranch Is the Answer to San Diego — and America’s — Homeless Crisis

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What a terribly attractive and horrible idea that won't ever work. I wonder if the people who wrote it understand large components of the homelessness they pretend to understand? Take all those people out to a nice place out of the way, allow them to police themselves in between trying to find them social services that don't exist to solve the underlying decay of society, and hope the strong don't pray on the weak after hours. And who is going to pay for that busing back to the down town areas? After they disappear on day 1, and reappear on day 2, people will complain that "I thought we paid a levy to get rid of them all!". What are they doing back on the streets? Looking for drugs I imagine, because would anyone think that those running the camps would let them shoot up, smoke meth, snort coke in the tents provided them? What happens when the stronger ones form gangs, and appropriate from the weaker ones?

I have often wondered, based on society really not caring to solve the homeless issue, if there is a solution? Other than draconisn ones obviously, all confiscated dope is poisoned and put back into circulation and then stand back and let nature take its course.

Demolish all homes so everyone lives in tents, then legalize it.  Open all Malls and Parking Lots for camping and put a Porta Potty on every street corner.

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State sponsored Hoovervilles.

https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2023/01/14/sunbreak-ranch-is-the-answer-to-san-diego-and-americas-homeless-crisis/

Sunbreak Ranch Is the Answer to San Diego — and America’s — Homeless Crisis

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What a terribly attractive and horrible idea that won't ever work. I wonder if the people who wrote it understand large components of the homelessness they pretend to understand? Take all those people out to a nice place out of the way, allow them to police themselves in between trying to find them social services that don't exist to solve the underlying decay of society, and hope the strong don't pray on the weak after hours. And who is going to pay for that busing back to the down town areas? After they disappear on day 1, and reappear on day 2, people will complain that "I thought we paid a levy to get rid of them all!". What are they doing back on the streets? Looking for drugs I imagine, because would anyone think that those running the camps would let them shoot up, smoke meth, snort coke in the tents provided them? What happens when the stronger ones form gangs, and appropriate from the weaker ones?

I have often wondered, based on society really not caring to solve the homeless issue, if there is a solution? Other than draconisn ones obviously, all confiscated dope is poisoned and put back into circulation and then stand back and let nature take its course.

Demolish all homes so everyone lives in tents, then legalize it.  Open all Malls and Parking Lots for camping and put a Porta Potty on every street corner.

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I'd settle for taxing the **** out of second homes and flippers and speculators and air b and b hosts. In my part of the world that is what has broken the housing model

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Re: Hoovervilles & Homelessness
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2023, 01:05:46 am »
What a terribly attractive and horrible idea that won't ever work

That totally sez it.

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Re: Hoovervilles & Homelessness
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2023, 04:55:27 pm »
What a terribly attractive and horrible idea that won't ever work

That totally sez it.

I agree.  ;D

But the fascinating question I've got is this....theorize and describe the background, psychology, life experience, education, political affiliation  of the person who thought it was a good idea. I'm having a tough time coming up with the right combination myself.

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Re: Hoovervilles & Homelessness
« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2023, 04:01:23 am »
Not somebody who has ever been homeless.

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Re: Hoovervilles & Homelessness
« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2023, 11:11:03 am »
Not somebody who has ever been homeless.

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Add 'worked and paid bills' to 'not someone who has ever been homeless'.


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Re: Hoovervilles & Homelessness
« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2023, 02:10:08 pm »
They didn't say anything about banning alcohol and drugs at the ranch, or searching people getting on the shuttle bus. Either they didn't consider that (unlikely), or they're realistic they're not going to stop people who don't want to stop.
So it seems the idea is, get your drugs and booze and go back to the ranch, or the new policing of loitering etc they mentioned, will get you arrested. Police will probably just drive them to the ranch anyway.

They mentioned drug and alcohol rehab services, but does that include detox? It would be needed.


I have no idea what proportion are not **** addicts, who ended up unable to pay their rent or mortgage, but I'm sure it's not insignificant. Some people might not even have some unexpected emergency like getting laid off, or head gasket blows, or an illness and they just couldn't make ends meet when rent went up. If your rent goes from 400 to 500 a week and you make 800 (just a guess at the after tax take home for the avg wage),
you could be in trouble with the inflation and lose your home even if you didn't lose your work.  I'm sure that cohort of homeless would prefer having all the facilities.

Is the architect of the scheme going to pay themself at least half a mil a year out of the funding? You can BET on that
« Last Edit: January 23, 2023, 02:22:45 pm by Phil Potts »

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Re: Hoovervilles & Homelessness
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2023, 08:36:50 am »
“We have a moral obligation to help the homeless. But we are not obligated to cede our downtowns, our tourist attractions, and our residential neighborhoods to homeless encampments. And as a society, we also have a moral obligation to protect the general population from rampant infectious diseases.”

https://sunbreakranch.com/

Here she be:



Sunbreak Ranch will provide:

A better, more comfortable night’s sleep than any sidewalk, anywhere, can provide
A spectacular open-space setting full of fresh air and breathtaking views

A respectful and friendly Sunbreak Ranch staff motivated to help lift up, not tear down,
its residents



A place where threats to personal safety and public health will not be tolerated
A safe, secure, and clean environment including a permanent, on-site law enforcement post and 24/7 security patrol to help maintain peace and safety



Easy access via Highways 905 and 125 and located only 13 miles from downtown San
Diego (MTS bus and trolley service is already in place nearby, and there will be a
Sunbreak Shuttle service with a set time schedule.)
Residents will come and go from the Ranch as they please during daylight hours
No residency fee – residents only have to respect others and clean up after themselves



Free internet access and phone charging stations on the Ranch





Separate shelter choices available for single women, single men, families, homeless
children, those with pets, veterans, disabled, etc. Safety and security will be the first
priority with all sleeping arrangements.



A sheltered bed available for everyone – with a choice of multiple communal living
quarters, as well as tenting on your own on the outskirts of the Ranch, if preferred



Homeless Community Groups may be housed together, if desired


The goddamn place is offering amenities and it does not  even exist.

Rumor has it that Alex Baldwin will teach firearm safety.  His way of 'giving back'.
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Re: Hoovervilles & Homelessness
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2023, 04:33:37 pm »
Where's the water?

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