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Re: Climate Doom
« Reply #195 on: August 29, 2021, 05:36:00 pm »
As usual I am following the progress of the latest hurricane. Ida. It's much different now than it used to be. Now every TV station runs 24-hour computer updates from the end of the US and kind of graphics.

So I am not going to tell you anything that you can't figure out for yourself if you just look at one of these websites and watch all the graphics.

The interesting thing is the spin. This is essentially not as bad as expected. LOL. At least while it's going on right. But if you have watched how these hurricanes move and what is going on you know that they are pitching out incredible b*******

New Orleans is getting absolutely hammered. The movement of the storm has slowed and the rainfall totals are going to be very large. What has not happened is a lovely failure like had happened in Katrina. If the love is hold you will not get quite the total disaster that that one was. But there is no certainty at the moment that they will hold and even if they do since the storm has slowed you're going to have some serious flooding problems anyhow.

Just watch the news as it unfolds. My guess is you will have very serious River flooding coming tomorrow and for 2 days afterwards in the neighborhood. I also don't think things are nearly as Rosie as the weather people are saying at the moment in the area. Based on what I see in the radar and satellite imagery it's a very big mess.

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« Reply #196 on: August 30, 2021, 11:43:54 am »
So, they lost ALL power in NOLA as all 8 transmission lines into town were taken out.  Current flooding problems are mostly just to the west, but pumps in NOLA are operating at 1/4 capacity from 1 report I read.

"At least 1 person has died".  hahahahaha.   I suspect it was a few more than that. Will you hear about it?  Like Vietnam, they have learned their lesson here.  Surpress bad news, give a positive spin on recovery.  Not that I think the death toll was all that huge though.  The bigger problem is more long term homelessness.

When do you think Uncle Joe will head in there to "assess the situation"?

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Re: Climate Doom
« Reply #197 on: August 30, 2021, 08:39:22 pm »
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Re: Climate Doom
« Reply #198 on: August 31, 2021, 11:26:37 am »
Looks like DOOM has arrived for Lake Tahoe.  That is a lot of expensive Real Estate.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/25/1030994926/a-wildfire-is-heading-for-lake-tahoe-sending-ash-raining-down-on-tourists

Guess they will have to go to Vegas to gamble.  No fires there!  :)

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Re: Climate Doom: on borrowed time
« Reply #199 on: September 10, 2021, 07:30:12 pm »
Always an interesting read with good links.

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On borrowed time: How long to a Miocene-like tropical ~+4°C world?

by A/Prof Andrew Glikson
Earth and climate scientist

Toward late this century global temperatures are likely to either reach super-tropical levels of >>14°C or/and extreme levels of storminess consequent on clashes between Arctic and Antarctic sourced cold and warm air and water masses.

Humans appear to be mainly concerned about any one issue at a time, and while COVID-19 is claiming the lives of millions Homo sapiens appears to be increasingly oblivious to the growing threat to billions of humans and to nature, including the inhabitability of large regions and extinguishment of habitats.

The almost universal assumption as if a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions is in itself sufficient to prevent further warming is misleading, since positive feedbacks from land and ocean would continue to raise greenhouse levels and temperatures.

Such feedback effects include:
increased evaporation with warming, water vapor being a greenhouse gas;
melting ice decreasing the albedo effect of Earth, exposing dark rock surfaces, reducing the albedo of the polar terrains and sea ice in surrounding oceans, enhancing infrared absorption and heating;
burnt and desiccated vegetation decreasing the albedo;
decreased absorption and solubility of CO₂ in warming oceans;
release of CO₂ and methane from drying vegetation, from melting permafrost and from bogs.

A critical parameter, rarely mentioned in the media, is the inexorable accelerating rise in atmospheric greenhouse gases. With CO₂ reaching 414.6 parts per million, CH₄ (methane) is reaching 1891.3 parts per billion and total greenhouse gas concentration of 500 parts per million, a level unknown since the Miocene about 5.3-23 million years ago.

With a Miocene CO₂ level in the range of ~400-500 parts per million and mean temperatures up to 18.4°C, the atmosphere is tracking toward super-tropical temperatures, which would render large regions uninhabitable.

Anthropocene temperature rise rates are at least an order of magnitude higher than the mean temperature rise since the Last Glacial Maximum:
Given the current mean global land and ocean temperature of 14°C, i.e. 6.2°C warmer than the mean ~7.8°C temperature of the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) (~19,000–23.000 years-ago), the mean warming of (~0.00026°C/year rate; 6°C/23.000 years) is an order of magnitude slower than during the Anthropocene.
Late Holocene/Anthropocene: 1.04°C/250 years ~0.004°C/year). This relegates the current global warming to an unprecedented category during the last ~3 million years and longer.
Namely, at ~+4 degrees Celsius of warming toward later the 21st century the Earth’s mean surface land/ocean temperature would be warmer than tropical Miocene temperatures. A lag effect between the rise of greenhouse gases and temperature would delay but not prevent the worst effects of global warming.

But even before such high mean temperatures is reached, the weakened jet stream climate zone boundary, allowing penetration of cold and warm fronts, allowing clashes between air and water masses of contrasting temperatures, would lead to storminess, disrupting human agriculture and habitats, as is already happening in northern Europe and within the Arctic circle.



How long would it take for global temperatures to rise to about ~4°C and higher would depend on:
The acceleration in rising concentration of greenhouse gases and the lag in consequent rising temperatures;
The extent to which ice melt flow from Greenland and Antarctica may slow down further warming in certain regions, such as the north Atlantic and the Southern Ocean;
Further anthropogenic emissions and/or draw-down of atmospheric CO₂.

From the continuing rise of atmospheric greenhouse concentrations (CO₂: 2020 – 414.62 ppm; 2021 - 416.96 ppm) to date global greenhouse gas emissions are hardly slowing down, nor have attempts at mitigation and/or sequestration been effective. In 2019, the world emitted roughly 36.44 billion metric tons (BMT) of carbon dioxide, compared to 14.83 BMT in 1970.

According to the head of the International Energy Agency no new oil, gas or coal development ought to take place if the world is to reach net zero by 2050.

However, rising production of hydrocarbons in several regions, for example new drilling for oil in the North Sea, high production of oil and gas the USA, new coal mines in Australia and elsewhere cast doubt on the level of carbon emissions in future.

Conclusion: A rise in the mean global temperature to about 4 degrees Celsius or higher, as projected by IPCC, and/or a stormy climate consequent due to clashes between air and water masses of contrasting temperatures consequent on weakening of climate zone boundaries, are likely to progress through the 21st Century, severely disrupting natural and human habitats and species.

Andrew Glikson
A/Prof. Andrew Glikson

Earth and Paleo-climate scientist
School of Biological, Earth and Environmental Sciences
The University of New South Wales,
Kensington NSW 2052 Australia

Books:
The Asteroid Impact Connection of Planetary Evolution
When in 1981 Louis and Walter Alvarez, the father and son team, unearthed a tell-tale Iridium-rich sedimentary horizon at the 65 million years-old Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary at Gubbio, Italy, the...
SpringerLink · springer.com

The Archaean: Geological and Geochemical Windows into the Early Earth
Archaean terrains contain a wealth of structural, stratigraphic, textural, mineralogical, geochemical and isotopic features allowing insights into the nature of the early Earth. This book is based ...
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Climate, Fire and Human Evolution: The Deep Time Dimensions of the Anthropocene
The book outlines principal milestones in the evolution of the atmosphere, oceans and biosphere during the last 4 million years in relation with the evolution from primates to the genus Homo – wh...
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The Plutocene: Blueprints for a Post-Anthropocene Greenhouse Earth
This book presents projections and blueprints of the future geologic period, climate and biosphere, based on our current understanding of the Earth’s history and recent developments in the atmosp...
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Evolution of the Atmosphere, Fire and the Anthropocene Climate Event Horizon
http://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789400773318
From Stars to Brains: Milestones in the Planetary Evolution of Life and Intelligence
https://www.springer.com/us/book/9783030106027
Asteroids Impacts, Crustal Evolution and Related Mineral Systems with Special Reference to Australia
http://www.springer.com/us/book/9783319745442
The Event Horizon: Homo Prometheus and the Climate Catastrophe
https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783030547332
The Fatal Species: From Warlike Primates to Planetary Mass Extinction
https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783030754679

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Re: Climate Doom
« Reply #200 on: September 11, 2021, 01:43:58 am »
There are numerous instances in that piece where we just need to guess what Glikson means, but there is a world of difference between his intention and the literal meaning of what he wrote. If Sam Carana is too uncritical to even edit, how do we trust their analysis we could be extinct in 2021 or 2026 is rigorous?
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Re: Climate Doom
« Reply #201 on: September 11, 2021, 12:49:47 pm »
There are numerous instances in that piece where we just need to guess what Glikson means, but there is a world of difference between his intention and the literal meaning of what he wrote. If Sam Carana is too uncritical to even edit, how do we trust their analysis we could be extinct in 2021 or 2026 is rigorous?


This is pretty clear and unambiguous:

Conclusion: A rise in the mean global temperature to about 4 degrees Celsius or higher, as projected by IPCC, and/or a stormy climate consequent due to clashes between air and water masses of contrasting temperatures consequent on weakening of climate zone boundaries, are likely to progress through the 21st Century, severely disrupting natural and human habitats and species.


Crop failures and habitat loss will cause major disruption to the human population levels, whether or not it means  human extinction. Lots of other species are going extinct. That should have been enough incentive for us to do something.

We probably wont go extinct in the near term as a species due to climate change, but I dont think it will be business as usual...  I also cant see us getting through this without major disruptions.

I cant actually see where human extinction is mentioned in the article.. It mentions rate of climate change being an order of magnitude greater than any previous change. This is what is causing mass extinctions of plants and animals.

Its not all about us.

I actually like other species, and not just as food.  ;D

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Re: Climate Doom: The sixth mass extinction
« Reply #202 on: September 11, 2021, 01:23:31 pm »
That last line is the kicker.

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The 5 Major Mass Extinctions
By Heather Scoville
Updated January 08, 2020

Throughout the 4.6 billion years of Earth's history, there have been five major mass extinction events that each wiped out an overwhelming majority of species living at the time. These five mass extinctions include the Ordovician Mass Extinction, Devonian Mass Extinction, Permian Mass Extinction, Triassic-Jurassic Mass Extinction, and Cretaceous-Tertiary (or the K-T) Mass Extinction.

Each of these events varied in size and cause, but all of them completely devastated the biodiversity found on Earth at their times.
Defining 'Mass Extinction'
Nyiragongo volcano

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Before learning more about these different mass extinction events, it is important to understand what can be classified as mass extinction and how these catastrophes shape the evolution of species that happen to survive them. A “mass extinction” can be defined as a time period in which a large percentage of all known living species go extinct. There are several causes for mass extinctions, such as climate change, geologic catastrophes (e.g. numerous volcanic eruptions), or even meteor strikes onto Earth’s surface. There is even evidence to suggest that microbes may have sped up or contributed to some of the mass extinctions known throughout the Geologic Time Scale.
Mass Extinctions and Evolution
SEM of a tardigrade
The tardigrade (water bear) has survived all 5 major mass extinction.

STEVE GSCHMEISSNER/SCIENCE PHOTO LIBRARY / Getty Images

How do mass extinction events contribute to evolution? After a large mass extinction event, there is typically a rapid period of speciation among the few species that do survive; since so many species die off during these catastrophic events, there is more room for the surviving species to spread out, as well as many niches in the environments that need to be filled. There is less competition for food, resources, shelter, and even mates, allowing the “leftover” species from the mass extinction event to thrive and reproduce rapidly.

As populations separate and move away over time, they adapt to new environmental conditions and are eventually reproductively isolated from their original populations. At that point, they can be considered a brand new species.
The First Major Mass Extinction: The Ordovician Mass Extinction
Fossil Trilobites
Fossil trilobites from the Ordovician age.

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The Ordovician Mass Extinction

    When: The Ordovician Period of the Paleozoic Era (about 440 million years ago)
    Size of the Extinction: Up to 85% of all living species eliminated
    Suspected Cause or Causes: Continental drift and subsequent climate change

The first known major mass extinction event occurred during the Ordovician Period of the Paleozoic Era on the Geologic Time Scale. At this time in the history of Earth, life was in its early stages. The first known life forms appeared about 3.6 billion years ago, but by the Ordovician Period, larger aquatic life forms had come into existence. There were also even some land species at this time.

The cause of this mass extinction event is thought to be the shift in the continents and drastic climate change. It happened in two different waves. The first wave was an ice age that encompassed the entire Earth. Sea levels lowered and many land species could not adapt fast enough to survive the harsh, cold climates. The second wave was when the ice age finally ended—and it was not all good news. The episode ended so suddenly that the ocean levels rose too quickly to hold enough oxygen to maintain the species that had survived the first wave. Again, species were too slow to adapt before extinction took them out completely. It was then up to the few surviving aquatic autotrophs to increase the oxygen levels so new species could evolve.
The Second Major Mass Extinction: The Devonian Mass Extinction
Several ancient limestone fossils
This limestone is full of bryozoa, crinoid, and brachiopod fossils from the Devonian period.

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The Devonian Mass Extinction

    When: The Devonian Period of the Paleozoic Era (about 375 million years ago)
    Size of the Extinction: Nearly 80% of all living species eliminated
    Suspected Cause or Causes: Lack of oxygen in the oceans, quick cooling of air temperatures, volcanic eruptions and/or meteor strikes

The second major mass extinction in the history of life on Earth happened during the Devonian Period of the Paleozoic Era. This mass extinction event actually followed the previous Ordovician Mass Extinction relatively quickly. Just as the climate stabilized and species adapted to new environments and life on Earth began to flourish again, almost 80% of all living species—both in the water and on land—were wiped out.

There are several hypotheses as to why this second mass extinction occurred at that time in geologic history. The first wave, which dealt a major blow to aquatic life, may have actually been caused by the quick colonization of land—many aquatic plants adapted to live on land, leaving fewer autotrophs to create oxygen for all of the sea life. This led to mass death in the oceans.

The plants' quick move to land also had a major effect on the carbon dioxide available in the atmosphere. By removing so much of the greenhouse gas so quickly, temperatures plummeted. Land species had trouble adapting to these changes in climate and went extinct as a result.

The second wave of the Devonian mass extinction is more of a mystery. It could have included mass volcanic eruptions and some meteor strikes, but the exact cause is still considered unknown.
The Third Major Mass Extinction: The Permian Mass Extinction
Dimetrodon skeleton from the Permian Period
Dimetrodons went extinct in The Great Dying.

Stephen J Krasemann / Getty Images
The Permian Mass Extinction

    When: The Permian Period of the Paleozoic Era (about 250 million years ago)
    Size of the Extinction: An estimated 96% of all living species eliminated
    Suspected Cause or Causes: Unknown—possibly asteroid strikes, volcanic activity, climate change, and microbes

The third major mass extinction was during the last period of the Paleozoic Era, called the Permian Period. This is the largest of all known mass extinctions with a massive 96% of all species on Earth completely lost. It is no wonder, therefore, that this major mass extinction has been dubbed “The Great Dying.” Aquatic and terrestrial life forms alike perished relatively quickly as the event took place.

It is still much of a mystery what set off this greatest of the mass extinction events, and several hypotheses have been thrown around by scientists who study this time span of the Geologic Time Scale. Some believe there may have been a chain of events that led to so many species disappearing; this could have been massive volcanic activity paired with asteroid impacts that sent deadly methane and basalt into the air and across the surface of the Earth. These could have caused a decrease in oxygen that suffocated life and brought about a quick change in the climate. Newer research points to a microbe from the Archaea domain that flourishes when methane is high. These extremophiles may have “taken over” and choked out life in the oceans as well.

Whatever the cause, this biggest of the major mass extinctions ended the Paleozoic Era and ushered in the Mesozoic Era.
The Fourth Major Mass Extinction: The Triassic-Jurassic Mass Extinction
Fossil of the dinosaur Coelophysis
About half of the known species on Earth perished during the Triassic-Jurassic Mass Extinction.

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The Triassic-Jurassic Mass Extinction

When: The end of the Triassic Period of the Mesozoic Era (about 200 million years ago)

Size of the Extinction: More than half of all living species eliminated

Suspected Cause or Causes: Major volcanic activity with basalt flooding, global climate change, and changing pH and sea levels of the oceans

The fourth major mass extinction was actually a combination of many, smaller extinction events that happened over the last 18 million years of the Triassic Period during the Mesozoic Era. Over this long time span, about half of all known species on Earth at the time perished. The causes of these individual small extinctions can, for the most part, be attributed to volcanic activity with basalt flooding. The gases spewed into the atmosphere from the volcanoes also created climate change issues that changed sea levels and possibly even pH levels in the oceans.
The Fifth Major Mass Extinction: The K-T Mass Extinction
Tyrannosaurus Rex skeleton
The K-T extinction was responsible for the end of the dinosaurs.

Richard T. Nowitz / Getty Images
The K-T Mass Extinction

    When: The end of the Cretaceous Period of the Mesozoic Era (about 65 million years ago)
    Size of the Extinction: Nearly 75% of all living species eliminated
    Suspected Cause or Causes: Extreme asteroid or meteor impact

The fifth major mass extinction event is perhaps the best-known, despite it not being the biggest. The Cretaceous-Tertiary Mass Extinction (or K-T Extinction) became the dividing line between the final period of the Mesozoic Era—the Cretaceous Period—and the Tertiary Period of the Cenozoic Era. It is also the event that wiped out the dinosaurs. The dinosaurs were not the only species to go extinct, however—up to 75% of all known living species died during this mass extinction event.

It is well-documented that the cause of this mass extinction was a major asteroid impact. The huge space rocks hit Earth and sent debris into the air, effectively producing an “impact winter” that drastically changed the climate across the entire planet. Scientists have studied the large craters left by the asteroids and can date them back to this time.
The Sixth Major Mass Extinction: Happening Now?
Lion hunters

A. Bayley-Worthington / Getty Images

Is it possible that we are in the midst of the sixth major mass extinction? Many scientists believe we are. A number of known species have been lost since humans' evolution. Since these mass extinction events can take millions of years, perhaps we are witnessing the sixth major mass extinction event as it happens. Whether or not humans will survive has yet to be determined.

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Re: Climate Doom
« Reply #203 on: September 11, 2021, 01:25:22 pm »
There are numerous instances in that piece where we just need to guess what Glikson means, but there is a world of difference between his intention and the literal meaning of what he wrote. If Sam Carana is too uncritical to even edit, how do we trust their analysis we could be extinct in 2021 or 2026 is rigorous?


This is pretty clear and unambiguous:

Conclusion: A rise in the mean global temperature to about 4 degrees Celsius or higher, as projected by IPCC, and/or a stormy climate consequent due to clashes between air and water masses of contrasting temperatures consequent on weakening of climate zone boundaries, are likely to progress through the 21st Century, severely disrupting natural and human habitats and species.


Crop failures and habitat loss will cause major disruption to the human population levels, whether or not it means  human extinction. Lots of other species are going extinct. That should have been enough incentive for us to do something.

We probably wont go extinct in the near term as a species due to climate change, but I dont think it will be business as usual...  I also cant see us getting through this without major disruptions.

I cant actually see where human extinction is mentioned in the article.. It mentions rate of climate change being an order of magnitude greater than any previous change. This is what is causing mass extinctions of plants and animals.

Its not all about us.

I actually like other species, and not just as food.  ;D

JOW


Conclusion: A rise in the mean global temperature to about 4 degrees Celsius or higher, as projected by IPCC, and/or a stormy climate consequent due to clashes between air and water masses of contrasting temperatures consequent on weakening of climate zone boundaries, are likely to progress through the 21st Century, severely disrupting natural and human habitats and species

What he meant was a a rise OF or BY about 4c. The meaning of what he said is that at some time in future, if you take all temp readings around the globe over a year and average them out, you get 4c.

He is also stating it is possible to have NO rise in average temp, but only stormy weather instead. 

This is where they proposed human extinction possible by 2026 or even 2021. About a couple hundred other species are going extinct every year.

Blog edited by Sam Carana, with news on climate change and warming in the Arctic due to snow and ice loss and methane releases from the seafloor.
arctic-news.blogspot.com


Blog edited by Sam Carana, with news on climate change and warming in the Arctic due to snow and ice loss and methane releases from the seafloor.
arctic-news.blogspot.com


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Re: Climate Doom
« Reply #204 on: September 11, 2021, 01:39:32 pm »
So human extinction its not mentioned in this article, and stormy weather is OK as it will not effect crops/ habitat/ ecosystems?

200 species a day (not year) going extinct. Thats not good.

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Re: Climate Doom
« Reply #205 on: September 11, 2021, 02:37:12 pm »
Wikipedia page seems quite extensive. i always like to double check whats on Wikipedia...
Has a huge amount  of lreferences. inks and other reading at bottom of page. I have not copied text as its too many characters to post..


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Re: Climate Doom
« Reply #206 on: September 11, 2021, 03:21:44 pm »
So human extinction its not mentioned in this article, and stormy weather is OK as it will not effect crops/ habitat/ ecosystems?

200 species a day (not year) going extinct. Thats not good.

JOW

The article is written by Glikson with no collaboration or commentary on it by Carana. I don't know how you get that I meant gliksons article when I mentioned Sam Caranas analysis.

I prefer not to see famines, if you understood my criticism of gliksons wrong syntax to mean that.


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Re: Climate Doom
« Reply #207 on: September 11, 2021, 03:27:35 pm »
This link is actually an interesting article Phil. Sensational headline to get your attention asside,  it is not as overhyped as you make out.
Was written 3 years ago. Since then a lot has happened, not least of was half of SE Oz burnt along with parts of alaska and Siberia.
Once again I cant see any mention of imminent human extinction.

I tend to agree with the last line:
"The situation is dire and calls for comprehensive and effective action, as described at the Climate Plan."

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Blog edited by Sam Carana, with news on climate change and warming in the Arctic due to snow and ice loss and methane releases from the seafloor.
arctic-news.blogspot.com



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Doomsday by 2021?


The Doomsday Clock, by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, constitutes a potent symbol of the danger we're in. When taking the 'minutes to midnight' from statements 1991 to 2018, an added trend points at Midnight by 2021. Will it be Doomsday by 2021?

The 2018 Statement said that "world leaders failed to respond effectively to the looming threats of nuclear war and climate change. [ . . ] Global carbon dioxide emissions have not yet shown the beginnings of the sustained decline towards zero that must occur if ever greater warming is to be avoided."

Recently, Fatih Birol, IEA Executive Director, said: "We expect energy-related CO2 emissions will increase once again in 2018 after growing in 2017."

Next to carbon dioxide, the outlook for other greenhouse gases is also very worrying and the situation could deteriorate very rapidly, as further described below.




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Here's how. As above image shows, oceans continue to warm up, due to the rise in greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere.


[ wind speed as high as 268 km/h or 167 mph ]
The image on the right shows sea surface temperature anomalies as high as as 7.1°C (or 12.7°F) in the Bering Strait (at the green circle) on October 15, 2018.

Warmer oceans result in stronger cyclones. The next image on the right shows that Typhoon Yutu was forecast to reach an Instantaneous Wind Power Density (WPD) as high as 207647 W/m² at 850 mb and wind speeds as high as 268 km/h or 167 mph at the green circle, i.e. at 18.50° N, 124.00° E, on October 30, 2018, 00:00 UTC.

Cyclones can suddenly push huge amounts of salty warm water into the Arctic Ocean.

On November 12, 2018, there was a sudden influx of warm water from the Atlantic Ocean near Svalbard and sea surface temperature was as high as 20.4°C or 68.7°F, i.e. 17.4°C or 31.4°F warmer than in 1981-2011.


[ warm water from the Atlantic Ocean is
increasingly invading the Arctic Ocean ]
As the image on the right also illustrates, warm salty water from the Atlantic Ocean is increasingly invading the Arctic Ocean.

Salinity levels at the surface of the Arctic Ocean are low, due to the increasingly large run-off from rivers, glaciers, etc. Also, the Arctic Ocean is increasingly receiving precipitation from the Atlantic Ocean, due to stronger winds over the North Atlantic.

All this contributes to the formation of a freshwater lid on top of the surface of the Arctic Ocean, which has in turn helped to keep sea ice extent larger than it would otherwise have been over the past few years.

The influx of water from the Atlantic Ocean has a much higher salinity level. Ice will stay frozen and will not melt in freshwater until the temperature reaches 0°C (or 32°F). Ice in saltwater on the other hand will already have melted away at -2°C (or 28.4°F).

The danger is that a strong influx of salty warm water will reach the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean and trigger destabilization of hydrates in sediments resulting in massive eruptions of methane from the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean, as described in earlier posts such as this one.


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Arctic sea ice is currently widening in extent, in line with the change of seasons. This means that less heat can escape from the Arctic Ocean to the atmosphere. Sealed off from the atmosphere by sea ice, greater mixing of heat in the water will occur down to the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean, while there is little or no ice buffer left to consume an influx of heat from the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, increasing the danger that warm water will reach the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean and destabilize methane hydrates.

This methane could cause temperatures to suddenly rise strongly at the higher latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere, speeding up decline of sea ice and permafrost, and further deforming the jet stream.

This could trigger even more extreme weather events, in particular storms, flooding, heatwaves and fires, across the Northern Hemisphere that could devastate crops, take down power grids and threaten meltdowns of nuclear power plants.

Aerosols associated with fires could further push up temperatures, as described in more detail below.

[ Image from: Extreme weather is upon us ]
Burning of agricultural waste can cause a lot of air pollution. The image on the right shows that on November 7, 2018 (at the green circle), levels of coarse particulate matter (PM10) as high as 1,913 μg/m³ were reached.


Even higher levels can be reached due to forest fires. As the image on the right shows, PM10 levels as high as 6,289 µg/m³ were reached on November 10, 2018, levels as high as 9,116 µg/m³ were reached on November 11, 2018, and levels as high as 9,856 µg/m³ are forecast for November 14, 2018, due to fires in California.

Above image shows that levels as high as 75,994 μg/m³ were reached in Siberia in 2017.

Such fires can add huge amounts of black carbon to the atmosphere.

For comparison, the EPA has set a National Ambient Air Quality Standard PM10 maximum of 150 μg/m³.

The decreasing temperature difference between the North Pole and the Equator would make the jet stream even more wavy, accelerating winds that increase fire risks, while also increasing droughts that further increase fire risks.

High greenhouse gas levels further aggravate the situation. Carbon monoxide (CO) levels as high as 52,440 ppb and carbon dioxide (CO₂) levels as high as 809 ppm were reached on November 10, 2018, while CO levels as high as 78,116 ppb were forecast for November 14, 2018, due to fires in California.

The image below shows the smoke from fires in California on November 9, 2018.



Black carbon causes both cooling and warming. Black carbon shades the surface, somewhat cooling the surface of land and water, while it also absorbs heat, thus warming the air above the surface. Furthermore, black carbon causes warming by darkening the surface once it settles down. Studies have calculated that black carbon has a total net global warming effect of more than 1.1 W/m².



Above video Rings of Fire features former firefighter Tom Swetnam.

The image below illustrates to what extent smoke from fires boosted black carbon in the air over North America on August 23, 2018.


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Furthermore, without access to fossil fuel and with the electricity grid down, many people could turn to kerosene lamps for lighting and burning wood for heating and cooking, resulting in even more black carbon emissions that have a huge immediate warming impact. James Hansen (2007) found the GWP for soot (BC) to be approximately 2000 for 20 years, approximately 500 for 100 years and approximately 200 for 500 years.



Next to black carbon, there is another type of aerosols that is important, i.e. sulfur.  Above video contains the Horizon documentary 'Global Dimming', broadcast January 2005 by the BBC.



Above image shows sulfur dioxide levels as high as 3597.10 µg/m³ in East Asia on October 24, 2018, indicating that sulfur levels may still be rising.


[ From the Extinction page ]
The image on the right shows IPCC (2000) projections for sulfur dioxide emissions.

The aerosol masking effect associated with sulfur would be strongly reduced as industrial activity would come to a standstill, thus further driving up warming.

The events as described above could result in a combined additional warming due to changes in aerosols of up to 2.5°C (4.5°F) in a matter of years.

In conclusion, the prospect of such a sequence of events makes a Doomsday-by-2021 warning appropriate. The accumulated impact of the various warming elements is illustrated by the image on the right.

A recent study found upper tolerance limits in plants of 23.7°C, which is less than where Earth would end up with a 10°C rise from current temperatures. However, these are tolerance levels, rather than extinction levels. The study concludes that "loss of one species can make more species disappear (a process known as ‘co-extinction’), and possibly bring entire systems to an unexpected, sudden regime shift, or even total collapse." The study therefore puts global diversity collapse at around 5°C of heating.

The situation is dire and calls for comprehensive and effective action, as described at the Climate Plan.

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Re: Climate Doom
« Reply #208 on: September 11, 2021, 03:58:49 pm »
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These guys are in the same camp as guy, just they frame their repeating 5 yr out doomsday scenarios as a question rather than a prediction.
They had ice free arctic by 2017 in 2012.


I will not mention that guy you seem to hate. Ever again. (Not that I have recently...)
I will not mention near term human extinction. Ever again. (Not that I have recently...)

I will post interesting (To me at least) articles which show how much of a pickle we are in, which I believe come from credible sources.

If every time I post an article from this site it triggers you I will add a trigger warning at the top of the page... 'Warning Phil: This site is linked to the guy that cant be mentioned, and which upsets you; please  read with care." (I am taking the **** Phil; I wont actually do that)

Please dispute the data. I could do with some good news.

Questions:
1. When do you think we will have an ice free arctic, if at all?
2. If so, do you think it will cause any problems, or just improved shipping lanes so we can buy more plastic junk from China?

It is indeed fantastic news that we still have ice in the arctic, and we should celebrate thet fact that that prediction is wrong, if perhaps only for a short time.
I hope it continues for a very long time, perhaps due to some unforseen negative feedback loop, but hope is not reality.

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« Reply #209 on: September 11, 2021, 04:30:03 pm »
In conclusion, the prospect of such a sequence of events makes a Doomsday-by-2021 warning appropriate.

The doomsday clock predicted nuclear holocaust which would mean human extinction, so there's no question what they mean. Still 4 months left for what many others think would take 40 yrs, to happen. In any case if the fertility of mice in mRNA trials extrapolates to humans, in 40 yrs we should have a manageable number of mouths to feed.