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General Discussion / Re: Standards
« Last post by FarmGirl on April 03, 2023, 02:01:36 pm »
Quote from: K-Dog on April 02, 2023, 12:55:26 pm
'Members shall not accuse each other of backpedaling on previous statements without showing a quote documenting the previous statement.   ?

I don't feel it is necessary to punish Phil for just misinterpreting something I said related to when the basics of collapse came into view, if I were going to offer up a date when you could begin to see the basics arriving in public. I stand by the quotes he came up with, his interpretation was just off.
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General Discussion / Re: Energy Errata
« Last post by FarmGirl on April 03, 2023, 01:59:21 pm »
Quote from: Phil Potts on April 01, 2023, 02:05:22 pm
The point is you appeared to forget saying this:

 "And the coming collapse is a given, and has been since folks began realizing what growth and consumption and capitalism and pollution will do, call it Earth Day 1970 if you want me to pick a date when the basics of collapse were coming into view reasonably widely."

when saying this about three days later:

That is a claim that has been around 1970 Earth Day when the collapse was supposed to arrive via overpopulation and pollution.

Oh, I don't forget this at all, I forget the government goon part. I picked a date when the basics of collapse were coming into view, Earth Day 1970. Pollution, climate, lack of oil, I completely agree with both statemenets. The second statement is nothing but mentioning that pollution and overpopulation were part of what was claimed during Earth Day 1970. I like that as a marker for when scientists and credible people claimed a doom that then didn't arrive.

Quote from: Phil Potts
Backpedaling on that could be believable, but not when you have more claims of a rough peak date being complete collapse, than remaining barrels of oil on earth.  [/b]

I didn't back pedal on anything. Coming collapse was noticed and the particulars laid down, if I had to pick a date, on Earth Day 1970. Turns out, the timing sure was nonsense though.

Quote from: Phil Potts
Do you recall regularly going back and deleting your posts at DD, so that would not be possible, even if we had access to the archives?

Farmgirl has never deleted any posts whatsoever.  ;)




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General Discussion / Re: Standards
« Last post by RE on April 03, 2023, 01:34:46 am »
Quote from: K-Dog on April 02, 2023, 12:55:26 pm
Quote from: RE on April 01, 2023, 04:50:18 pm
Quote from: Phil Potts on April 01, 2023, 02:05:22 pm
Can we have it forthwith that any accusations of someone saying for example Tonga would disappear or a peak equalling an instant apocalypse, be backed by a direct quote. Call it the April fools Day nobody's fool rule

What say you RE?[/b]

Seems like a good rule to me.

RE

Figure out how to say this the right way and we can put it into a code of conduct in the registration agreement.  The new place of course, since we can't alter the registration agreement here.

'Members shall not accuse each other of backpedaling on previous statements without showing a quote documenting the previous statement.   ?

That's fine.

RE
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General Discussion / Standards
« Last post by K-Dog on April 02, 2023, 12:55:26 pm »
Quote from: RE on April 01, 2023, 04:50:18 pm
Quote from: Phil Potts on April 01, 2023, 02:05:22 pm
Can we have it forthwith that any accusations of someone saying for example Tonga would disappear or a peak equalling an instant apocalypse, be backed by a direct quote. Call it the April fools Day nobody's fool rule

What say you RE?[/b]

Seems like a good rule to me.

RE

Figure out how to say this the right way and we can put it into a code of conduct in the registration agreement.  The new place of course, since we can't alter the registration agreement here.

'Members shall not accuse each other of backpedaling on previous statements without showing a quote documenting the previous statement.   ?
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General Discussion / Re: Energy Errata
« Last post by RE on April 01, 2023, 04:50:18 pm »
Quote from: Phil Potts on April 01, 2023, 02:05:22 pm
Can we have it forthwith that any accusations of someone saying for example Tonga would disappear or a peak equalling an instant apocalypse, be backed by a direct quote. Call it the April fools Day nobody's fool rule

What say you RE?[/b]

Seems like a good rule to me.

RE
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General Discussion / Re: Energy Errata
« Last post by Phil Potts on April 01, 2023, 02:05:22 pm »
Quote from: FarmGirl on April 01, 2023, 12:45:46 pm


I am also the first to suspect that things that don't add up are made up, but I would still need reminded of the particulars.

Quote from: Phil Potts
You don't seem to recall saying above in the past few days that Earth Day 1970 brought the inevitability of collapse via pollution and resource depletion into focus.

Oh, of COURSE I remember that. Just not anything about government goons being involved. And I said nothing about inevitability, I said that esteemed scientists and others of a similar ilk were predicting various forms of real life collapse (population wipeouts and everything, REAL collapse, not personal or recessions and whatnot). Perhaps you forgot the part where I was referencing esteemed others, it certainly wasn't me doing it.

It seems to have happened and been the inspiration for some songs in the same era as Earth Day, but I didn't suggest Earth Days venue was Appalachia.

The point is you appeared to forget saying this:

 "And the coming collapse is a given, and has been since folks began realizing what growth and consumption and capitalism and pollution will do, call it Earth Day 1970 if you want me to pick a date when the basics of collapse were coming into view reasonably widely."

when saying this about three days later:

That is a claim that has been around 1970 Earth Day when the collapse was supposed to arrive via overpopulation and pollution.

Backpedaling on that could be believable, but not when you have more claims of a rough peak date being complete collapse, than remaining barrels of oil on earth. 


I do not recall this being a personal experience, no. I apologize if I don't remember the context, if you could just link to what I wrote it will help me try and understand the reference.
[/quote]

Do you recall regularly going back and deleting your posts at DD, so that would not be possible, even if we had access to the archives?

That is not an unreasonable request though. In fact, it's so splendid I'm going to propose that it be made the Gold Standard here! Can we have it forthwith that any accusations of someone saying for example Tonga would disappear or a peak equalling an instant apocalypse, be backed by a direct quote. Call it the April fools Day nobody's fool rule

What say you RE?


https://youtu.be/zGO8HN1QQdI

https://youtu.be/IUmnTfsY3hI



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General Discussion / Re: Power outages in tens of thousands, widespread damage reported from Arkansas tornado
« Last post by FarmGirl on April 01, 2023, 01:15:23 pm »
Quote from: K-Dog on April 01, 2023, 09:40:46 am
Quote from: RE on April 01, 2023, 12:54:16 am
A bizzy year beginning in Tornado Alley.  So far about double the seasonal average.

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2023/mar/31/widespread-damage-reported-across-central-arkansas-on-friday/

Power outages in tens of thousands, widespread damage reported from Arkansas tornado

RE

Someone will say that tornadoes have been around forever and climate change has nothing to do with, an increased stochastic propensity.  ****.

How quaint, A) climate change deniers are still a thing, and B) has anyone ever claimed that tornadoes aren't a thing? As long as there was an atmosphere around creating thunderstorms anyway. If any show up, just ask them how without climate change we would ever have gotten the wonderful country of Canada, there weren't any Great Lakes to swim in but maybe some great ice skating was available?, there couldn't be any Swedish Bikini Team because there would be no Sweden, and the Yucatan Penninsula almost touched Florida, which was once more than twice as wide as it is now! Mexicans could just swim to the US back then.




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General Discussion / Re: Energy Errata
« Last post by FarmGirl on April 01, 2023, 12:52:26 pm »
Quote from: K-Dog on April 01, 2023, 09:37:04 am
You will know collapse when you see it.

Sure...but how many years do you need to see it and claim it before everyone else figures out you pulled the trigger on claiming it WAY early?

Quote from: K-Dog
You may also think some things are collapse which are not.  Only a total idiot will think there is no collapse when there is.

Possibly true. Except you haven't provided your definition, so how can even YOU know it when you see it, let alone the rest of us matching reality to the definition? I understand the pornography tie in, but we aren't talking about whether or not an exposed breast on film is pornography, but whether or not conventional peak oil 18 years ago has caused folks to run out fuel since then, causing collapse.

Quote from: K-Dog
The world has a lot of total idiots.

Indeed. And I'm betting that doomers and non-doomers have about the same percentage of them represented within their respective groups.
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General Discussion / Re: Energy Errata
« Last post by FarmGirl on April 01, 2023, 12:45:46 pm »
Quote from: Phil Potts on March 31, 2023, 06:00:20 pm
Quote from: FarmGirl on March 30, 2023, 02:04:47 pm
You'll have to fill me in on this government goon, I can't say I remember any such event myself?

While I'm the first to suspect a lot of stories that don't add up being made up, I'll bet the farm that one was real.

I am also the first to suspect that things that don't add up are made up, but I would still need reminded of the particulars.

Quote from: Phil Potts
You don't seem to recall saying above in the past few days that Earth Day 1970 brought the inevitability of collapse via pollution and resource depletion into focus.

Oh, of COURSE I remember that. Just not anything about government goons being involved. And I said nothing about inevitability, I said that esteemed scientists and others of a similar ilk were predicting various forms of real life collapse (population wipeouts and everything, REAL collapse, not personal or recessions and whatnot). Perhaps you forgot the part where I was referencing esteemed others, it certainly wasn't me doing it.

Quote from: Phil Potts
So you can be forgiven forgetting further back than the past few years, the anecdote:

How in your impulsive and testosterone fuelled youth, way out where they play the 5 string with 6 fingers, probably a county official wanted to go onto your property and.. I suppose check your bag limit for varmints? That then resulting in a lengthy court case that almost made you as Americans say, a 'felon' forevermore, just for firing at his feet or in the air? [/b]

I do not recall this being a personal experience, no. I apologize if I don't remember the context, if you could just link to what I wrote it will help me try and understand the reference. 
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General Discussion / Re: We are moving
« Last post by K-Dog on April 01, 2023, 12:40:39 pm »
I am sending this out to the registered members here.

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Greetings from Global Collapse,


The 'Global Collapse' forum : https://globalcollapse.createaforum.com/index.php is moving.

The NEW incantation of the DOOMSTEAD DINER forum, the 'DOOMSTEAD' is here: https://chasingthesquirrel.com/doomstead/

Two years ago the Global Collapse forum continued the Doomstead Diner forum on when the Doomstead Diner closed. 

RE, the owner of the former Doomstead Diner is an admin at the new Doomstead.  The new Doomstead forum is under my (K-Dog's ) domain.  I am the other admin at Global Collapse.

Moving the Doomstead forum from the createaforum umbrella becomes desirable.  Createaforum is fine, but we desire more freedom.


K-Dog

If you are already there, you will get one too.
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