Global Collapse

I have been suspect of Population Data and estimates for quite some time, and the numbers are starting to trickle out that confirm this. There are huge incentives for local goobermints to overstate their population, because all estimates for economic growth are based on this.  Dieoff on a global basis actually probably began around a decade ago when I first questioned these estimates.

The numbers are increasing and have beccome harder to hide.  Not only China has admitted it with cancellation of the 1 child policy, the UN admits it also.

A few questions still remain of course.

* How long will it take?
* How far down will it go?
* How will the economic system adjust to shrinkage?
* How will this affect our daily lives and standard of living?
* What actions will be taken by goobermints?
* What actions will be taken by populations?

There are many other questions of course, but this is sufficient for conversation.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/researcher-questions-chinas-population-data-says-it-may-be-lower-2021-12-03/

Researcher questions China's population data, says it may be lower

RE

So just like Australia having the same average age as china does not cause western media to report on adult diapers almost outselling baby ones, lots of benefits in payments, leave, and reduced tax don't also cause suspicion of inflated population numbers here.

As if there isn't penalty for fraud in china using a fake birth certificate to collect benefits and it would be easy to get away with. Child nurse visits? Vax record? School enrolment? Taxes when these fake people created in the last 5 yrs grow up?  Also everyone doing that remembered their fake child on census night. No mention of how many people Chu thinks have done that.

No mention of what Yi from Wisconsin bases his estimate of 100m fake people on except that ethnic minorities that did not have a 1 child policy also had fertility drop. Very negligent not to provide numbers there. 

Obviously the rest of the world doesn't have a 1 child policy either, so that means nothing if the same rising standard of living associated happened.

This article says 1 child policy was dropped in 2016, elsewhere I've seen it as 2015. China then wanted to reduce population until either 2015 or 2016.

The real question is what caused the 20% drop in fertility in the last 2 yrs, leading them to change to allowing 3.

If china is faking 100m , the rest of the world could be faking another half a billion if the same rate applies.

The declining U.S. birthrate comes as no surprise

Not quite as nice as the Soylent Green Euthanasia Parlor, but getting close.



Controversial ‘suicide pod’ that ‘kills peacefully’ gets go-ahead in Switzerland



RE

No controversy to me.  Put the inventor in and fasten the door.  With no way out after a few days he will push the button.

Then burn the machine with him inside.  Destroy all the plans and suppress all mention of the invention for all time.

Where is the controversy?  Just go Stalin on his ass.

You don''t think people should have the right to kill themselves as painlessly as possible?  Even terminally ill people in horrible pain?

RE

Does anyone know why Elon is playing the good cop now?

One can only guess, but clearly there are three problems for Elon.

1- fewer consumers of Teslas
2- Fewer slaves to build Teslas
3- Insufficient growth in sales to pay off his unbelievably deep well of debt

RE

Quote from: RE on December 09, 2021, 02:52:26 pm

Quote from: moniker on December 09, 2021, 02:16:13 pm

Does anyone know why Elon is playing the good cop now?

One can only guess, but clearly there are three problems for Elon.

1- fewer consumers of Teslas
2- Fewer slaves to build Teslas
3- Insufficient growth in sales to pay off his unbelievably deep well of debt

RE

Tesla debt sits at about less than $12 billion. Elon could sell some shares in the company and pay it off if he wished. Market cap is 1 trillion dollars (as in..one TRILLION). So, let us say my average income from social security is $20G a year...my equivalent percentage of debt would be...$240. oh...the horror of the debt...

Ford and GM have 5X-10X Tesla's debt. And smaller market cap.

More data for everyone!!

Balancing the books is for the little people.

Quote from: moniker on December 09, 2021, 06:03:37 pm

Balancing the books is for the little people.

And doing data is for the analytical people.    I mean really, are we not thinking doomers, rather than propaganda swilling and spewing charlatans? Are we fact oriented, or do we just say things that aren't true and hope our doomer buddies don't call us on it? The condition of humanity in general was advanced by one crowd, the other turned into the Church, unthinkingly humming the mantra and reciting the dogma as we are ordered by the priests?

We are not. Individuals may be, if they belong to some affiliation advancing an agenda. Govt is the most obvious.

Tesla posted losses for years and made a profit last year not through sales of cars, but through Bitcoin and the other auto manufacturers needing to buy % electric car credits from Tesla. Just finally turning a profit without being profitable after being built on govt handouts, apparently also funnelled into Bitcoin, was enough to see the type of religious devotees you're talking about take it's share price from the floor to the sky. The same type of devotees who would not go near a car with horrendous customer support, that had a history of bursting into flames, locked the driver inside, crashed on its own and had cheap interior plastic, if it was not a marque of being environmentally responsible.

Quote from: K-Dog on December 09, 2021, 11:55:37 am

No controversy to me.  Put the inventor in and fasten the door.  With no way out after a few days he will push the button.

Then burn the machine with him inside.  Destroy all the plans and suppress all mention of the invention for all time.

Where is the controversy?  Just go Stalin on his ass.

You don''t think people should have the right to kill themselves as painlessly as possible?  Even terminally ill people in horrible pain?

RE

Of sound mind and body is a minimum requirement.  O person clinically depressed can lie on the questionnaire.  They will be found not to be ****-up and get a code.   People who don't have their brains working right can get a code. You have been seduced by technology.  A decision like this has to be decided by humans who can weigh in on a persons mental state.  No **** software involved.

I find the inventor guilty of pre-crime and sentence him to death.



Silicone not 4me.  You know I like the real thing.  Some things have to stay human.